Talk:TCA Atlantis

This page needs to be moved to TCA Atlantis (Ship) or something, as this page is reserved for the Unreal 2 level TCA Atlantis. --Sir Brizz 10:05, 18 April 2008 (EDT)

I thought about it for a while, but I still disagree. First of all, I see the current list of maps does currently link to the planet articles (and this ship one), but simply changing the links in that list would take about 5 seconds per mission, so "reserved" doesn't really mean much. Other articles do already link to the planet articles (in my head they were reserved for the planets). I argue that that changing the list would be a better course of action.

It would keep the planet articles neatly named, without the bracketed "planet" or "moon" suffixes. (Those should be lower case instead of upper, right?)

Personally if I was looking for the planet, I'd definitely enter the word "Sanctuary". If I was looking for the mission, I'd go through the Unreal 2 article and look for a list there. Especially if I wasn't a hardcore fan who is only looking for "that level where you land in the jungle to rescue some dude". :) Also, once reading an article, I'd like to have a template a the bottom to view the other missions, just like it is with Unreal and RTNP already. That makes the names for the missions somewhat less important.

The missions in-game are also chapters, so wouldn't it be a decent solution to name them like in the game, with the chapter number in front? In my opinion that wouldn't lower the quality of the articles, the wiki a as a whole, or anything.

Taken straight from the game, the list goes: (I restarted on my new computer, don't play everyday, so I didn't get the rest unlocked just yet.) I say the Atlantis Interlude stuff is very important to the story, so it should also get some articles. Like with the game, players looking for a walkthrough can easily skip them. Of course maybe a single article is better (depending on the size(s)), with numbered sections for the different chapters, and bookmarks to those chapters in the template at the bottom.
 * 1) Avalon
 * 2) Atlantis Interlude
 * 3) Sanctuary
 * 4) Swamp
 * 5) Atlantis Interlude
 * 6) Hell
 * 7) Atlantis Interlude
 * 8) Acheron

OK, pretty long response, but that's my view on how this could/should be done. Feel free to (dis)agree! :) Retodon8 14:04, 18 April 2008 (EDT)


 * Quite a long one ;) I support disambiguations. Like, there should be an article on Foundry - the actual building, and an article Foundry Tarydium Plant that is a level walkthrough, both with disambiguations (if more than one, then it would be good to make a disambiguation page).

That way, it wouldn't matter how they are named, as when you get to the page, you can follow a link to the one you need. But in my opinion, planets should have higher priority, like Retodon stated, if I entered Sanctuary I would be looking for the planet. But I would look there for a link to the level as well.

Yes, template. I'm thinking of creating one, that's not hard. I have a good walkthrough resource as well.

With Interludes, I'd say we should do the same as it's with Intermissions of RTNP - after each level, a section describing the Atlantis Interlude should be added. --GreatEmerald 15:05, 18 April 2008 (EDT)


 * I basically agree about the DAB (disambiguation). Examples like Manta (vehicle) and Manta (enemy) benefit from a little DAB link at the top (using this template). If there was also an Tournament contestant named Manta, maybe something else still, a whole DAB page could be better still. However, see Sir Brizz comment below. DAB pages are always disruptive of the flow of a wiki, never something someone is actually looking for, so if one of the subjects is likely to be the most popular, it should get the "nice" name, with a DAB link at the top, pointing to the DAB page.


 * A U2 single player template could be build of the Unreal Single Player one... the code seems easy enough. We should wait doing that until the right format for this is decided though.


 * Putting interludes inside the mission articles is another option; I managed to not even think of that. Wouldn't it be better to put them at the beginning though, since they are mostly the intro to the next mission, rather than the outro to the previous? Then again, the uninterested would have to always skip the interlude part to get to the walkthrough... Retodon8 17:27, 19 April 2008 (EDT)

Why would anyone ever come to the wiki looking for information on a planet in the series? It is MUCH more likely that someone typing in Sanctuary would be looking for information on either the UT3 map DM-Sanctuary or the Unreal 2 level than the planet name. That's why it should have the main title. I realize most of the names are not explicit in the game, but "Sanctuary" as a keyword in Unreal 2 is a lot more forefront than a cursory mention on a character description page somewhere in UT.


 * Why? Because some people are just Unreal nuts! :) I believe most people don't care about story a whole lot; they just want to shoot stuff, but the fans that care about the story shouldn't be dismissed either. Think about Fan fiction... something which usually gives me shivers all over, which I try to avoid as best as I can, but something which at least benefits my argument here. :)


 * You say it is "MUCH more likely" that someone is looking for the UT3 map (oh yeah, that's another "Sanctuary"), but in reality none of us have any hard numbers to back up our claims... unless of course you do. :) I just know what I think, and I stated that in my previous post/edit. Actually I didn't remember the UT3 map at the time I wrote that though, and now I believe that is probably the most likely candidate for a user's search, more likely than either the U2 planet or mission.

A lot of this other stuff is nice to have, but it is superfluous information. Having a disambiguation page and linking from the other article should be common practice, if you go to Wikipedia and search for something, it will usually bring up the most common result on the strict name and link to the disambiguation page for other uses. I believe it is simply good practice to keep pages that will be commonly searched for at the top of the chain. --Sir Brizz 02:34, 19 April 2008 (EDT)


 * Like I said, I don't think articles on the planets mentioned... actually fully featured in the game, is superfluous information. Yes, I am one of those Unreal nuts I suppose, or rather I care about the background story of any IP I like, whether it's Unreal or something else. I agree about the DAB thing; see my response to GreatEmerald above. I don't feel all that strongly about it though, and I'm just another wiki participant here, so as long as the whole DAB thing is done right, it doesn't matter that much. Retodon8 17:27, 19 April 2008 (EDT)