Talk:Phayder Corporation

Wealthy?

Quote: "The company has massive wealth, however, as conversion to Necris is an extremely costly process, currently only affordable by Phayder themselves and Liandri Mining Corporation."

We don't know if the Phayder really are wealthy. The process may be expensive, but that could just be because the Phayder are asking a lot of money for it. Basically they have a monopoly, but if nobody is buying, they'll never get rich. The Liandri obviously paid X amount of money to get Brock created, then X for Lauren, X for Selket, but that obviously meant they (Liandri) must have had many multiples of X to even consider. Of course maybe the Phayder are just as wealthy, or moreso, but we simply don't know yet. What they earn from selling custom Necris alone probably won't even get them close to the Liandri, unless there are a lot of Necris requested by companies we haven't heard about. Retodon8 18:57, 15 August 2007 (EDT)

There's at least 14-15 Necris strewn across the Tournament Games. (8 in UT, 3 in UT2004, 3 in UC2, and presumably more to come in UT3.) Of those, only 3 of them are really able to be confirmed bought by Liandri (and all of those three are from UC2 - which is a seperate universe). I doubt that Phayder would sink itself into deep holes by creating Necris with cash flow that they do not have. --Dark Pulse 04:53, 16 August 2007 (EDT)

(UT2004's Kragoth appears in UT, meaning UT2004 added only one Necris.) The Necris Black Legion are mentioned to be sent by the Phayder themselves, so they don't count. You say UC2 is in a seperate universe, but I have no idea why you say that; it integrates into the storyline quite nicely as can be seen in the articles throughout this wiki, so those are the only three characters that do count, that we know of. (Only UC doesn't fit in the regular storyline with its Highborn and that alien race enslaving all humanity or whatever.)

Reading your last sentence I think you missed my point, which is that creating a Necris could be dirt cheap, so that even if the Phayder wouldn't have a nice cash flow, they could and would still create them. (Eespecially with the wealthy Liandri out there) I still think the "rich" thing should be removed from the article until there is some kind of indication they are. Retodon8 07:54, 16 August 2007 (EDT)

Yes, there was only one "new" Necris in UT2004 - Thannis. (Still leaves the mark at at least a dozen non-LMC Necris.) As for the Necris process, it'd be poor for business - and cash flow - if it were dirt cheap and they charged so much that only LMC could afford it though, wouldn't it? A business aims to make money above all else, and if you get more money by dropping prices, believe me, prices drop. If it really were cheaper, they'd probably be able to drop prices to something more corporations could afford.

That said, I'm pretty sure they make their money off of more than just creating Necris... obviously, though, much like most of Phayder Corp itself, much of it is unknown and the best one can do, as we have here, is surmise off of what little information we know, one of which is that the Necris process is - at least outwardly - very costly. If a item is not selling, and it's simply due to too high of a markup, a price cut usually results - there's been no such price cut, so it can be assumed that either Phayder Corp gets plenty of cash flow from its other enterprises, or the Necris process is genuinely extremely costly. Both of which would probably mean the company's got plenty of cash to throw around. --Dark Pulse 20:53, 16 August 2007 (EDT)

You're right, that reasoning makes sense now that I thought about it some more. As long as the Liandri buy a new Necris every now and again paying more money than the Nakhti emperor could afford, the Phayder would still have a nice income even without other customers and/or lots of sales. Then again, who knows how rich the Nakthi emperor really is compared to the megacorporations. I always assume Liandri is the richest because of the Tournaments, but I can't really know for sure. In general it's definitely smarter to lower prices. Like you said, much is unknown, and the more I discuss this and think about it, the harder it seems to figure out what is right/true. Maybe the Phayder usually offer Necris muscle for hire and only make others Necris by except. Maybe the Phayder are in the ice cream business. Who knows! Hopefully we do, after playing UT3! Retodon8 04:49, 17 August 2007 (EDT)

Mixed up?

The article seems to be mixed up to me. Maybe even needs a cleanup tag... Some info doesn't belog here, there are thought jumps and overall the style is not good, but I'm not sure how we should change it. --GreatEmerald 12:06, 5 May 2008 (EDT)

I agree, it doesn't seem organized very well. --Sir Brizz 23:37, 5 May 2008 (EDT)

Lots of supposition here

There is a lot of supposition here that it would be nice to clean up. The NEcris in UT3 don't seem to be part of or representative of Phayder but it is also unknown. However, that doesn't seem to be the primary concern of the company. Also, they stay out of most things in the universe and it is possible and probably likely that they are the most powerful corporation in the universe. The page could use a real good review. There is nothing wrong with mentioning the religious association but I don't think it's as central as this page presents it. --Sir Brizz 15:41, 16 January 2015 (CST)