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Umm, about that 'Additional Info' section... UT2004 netcode didn't really improve anything, it just made it different. It allowed for 32 players + vehakals, but due to all the bandwidth "optimizations" it worsened support for low player counts such as 1v1 matches. 1v1 servers often run at twice the default tick rate (or higher) because of how terrible the netcode feels in such a situation. The default tick is 20 or 25 (I can't remember which), and the community has a self-mandated rule that all competitive matches much be played at 35 tick or high. 1v1 servers are often 40-50 tick and there have been some at 60-70 through the years. Certainly this is proof that UT2004 netcode is not better, right? -- T2A` 17:31, 21 July 2007 (EDT)

I'm not sure. It's somewhat confusing either way and perhaps needs to be spelled out what the difference actually was. The problem is that the netcode was "improved" but it was only done so for what Epic must have felt was the "sweet spot", aka 8-24 players. --Sir Brizz 01:11, 22 July 2007 (EDT)

I just re-worded it to remove subjective language about "better" and "worse" and stuck to the functional improvement of the netcode: vehicles and player count. --W0rf 11:47, 22 July 2007 (EDT)

There was already some information about the ECE in the releases section. I think it might work better separate from that though. Then there could just be a link to the later section in the releases area. --Haarg 00:28, 24 July 2007 (EDT)

System Requirements should probably be under Additional Information. --Sir Brizz 00:42, 24 July 2007 (EDT)

There was never a "single DVD" release in the US, thus that release detail needs a bit more detail. --Sir Brizz 00:05, 30 July 2007 (EDT)

hey, under the Engine section where it lists additional middlware engines...why is SpeedTree there? I don't recall it ever being used in UT2004. I know it was integrated into the engine but it wasn't used with UT2004.--Torvec 18:28, 30 July 2007 (EDT)

I'm not sure. I thought some of the trees in ONS maps were done by speedtree. --Sir Brizz 18:42, 30 July 2007 (EDT)

Nope, SpeedTree is a technology for generating trees and rendering them. UT2004 only uses static mesh trees. --Wormbo 04:38, 26 August 2007 (EDT)

DE maps

Did those maps have that prefix in UT2004? --Sir Brizz 20:12, 28 April 2008 (EDT)

Yessir, both of them do. I don't know why the prefix was missing earlier, since the filenames clearly have them. --Kaithofis 20:41, 28 April 2008 (EDT)

Standard weapons? =

I'm not sure what the point of listing certain weapons as 'standard' is. The sniper rifle, AVRiL, grenade launcher, and mine launcher are all featured in lots of stock maps across two gametypes. In the case of the sniper rifle, it exists in some stock CTF/DM maps as well. The superweapons are also widely featured, so I'm not sure why they should be considered separate either. Some of the others, like the translocator, ball launcher, and super shock rifle could be separated out. If we did want to separate them out though, it should just be a single divided list, not two lists right next to each other. – Haarg 07:54, 5 May 2008 (EDT)

Support Though I think that there should be one list and notes near the non-standard ones. For example:

Rocket Launcher
Lightning Gun (In some maps replaced by the Sniper Rifle)
Sniper Rifle (In some maps replaced by the Lightning Gun)
Redeemer (Super weapon)
Ion Painter (Super weapon)
Target Painter (Super weapon)

Mine Layer (Usually only in Assault and Onslaught)
Grenade Launcher (Usually only in Assault and Onslaught)
AVRiL(Usually only in Assault and Onslaught)
Super Shock Rifle (Only when Instagib mutator is enabled)
Ball Launcher (Only in Bombing Run)

Not a very nice-looking list, but something like that. --GreatEmerald 09:11, 5 May 2008 (EDT)

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 == Standard weapons? ===
 I'm not sure what the point of listing certain weapons as 'standard' is.  The sniper rifle, AVRiL, grenade launcher, and mine launcher are all featured in lots of stock maps across two gametypes.  In the case of the sniper rifle, it exists in some stock CTF/DM maps as well.  The superweapons are also widely featured, so I'm not sure why they should be considered separate either.  Some of the others, like the translocator, ball launcher, and super shock rifle could be separated out.  If we did want to separate them out though, it should just be a single divided list, not two lists right next to each other. – [[User:Haarg|Haarg]] 07:54, 5 May 2008 (EDT)
+:{{support}} Though I think that there should be one list and notes near the non-standard ones. For example:
+{| width="100%" class="list"
+|
+* [[Translocator]]
+* [[Shield Gun]]
+* [[Assault Rifle]]
+* [[Bio Rifle]]
+* [[Shock Rifle]]
+* [[Link Gun]]
+* [[Minigun]]
+* [[Flak Cannon]]
+|
+* [[Rocket Launcher]]
+* [[Lightning Gun]] (In some maps replaced by the [[Sniper Rifle]])
+* [[Sniper Rifle]] (In some maps replaced by the [[Lightning Gun]])
+* [[Redeemer]] (Super weapon)
+* [[Ion Painter]] (Super weapon)
+* [[Target Painter]] (Super weapon)
+|
+* [[Mine Layer]] (Usually only in [[Assault]] and [[Onslaught]])
+* [[Grenade Launcher]] (Usually only in [[Assault]] and [[Onslaught]])
+* [[AVRiL]](Usually only in [[Assault]] and [[Onslaught]])
+* [[Instagib|Super Shock Rifle]] (Only when [[Instagib]] mutator is enabled)
+* [[Ball Launcher]] (Only in [[Bombing Run]])
+|}
+Not a very nice-looking list, but something like that. --[[User:GreatEmerald|GreatEmerald]] 09:11, 5 May 2008 (EDT)